tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post5701124594270939650..comments2023-12-13T15:01:10.195-08:00Comments on MIKE BARA.com: Revisting the True Colors of MarsMike Barahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17172462170076618847noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-64990739814888322872008-07-09T12:16:00.000-07:002008-07-09T12:16:00.000-07:00Great work!I'm duplicating your work -- utiliz...Great work!<br><br>I'm duplicating your work -- utilizing a different (empirical) method for determining color.<br><br>Emily Cragg, webmaster<br>www.abidemiracles.com see Blog there for my Gallery of pictures.<br><br>We ought to get together, I hope.<br><br>http://www.abidemiracles.com/images/nasamars/OLDMISC/MARSCOLORS.jpg<br><br><br><br>EmilyEmily Cragghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09407237291721337078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-26882209255734587642008-02-23T10:41:00.000-08:002008-02-23T10:41:00.000-08:00When some guy builds a space drive in hisgarage, a...When some guy builds a space drive in his<br>garage, and puts in on the open market,<br>we'll know the truth.<br><br>I've been saying this for years.<br><br>:-)marsandrohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18160904567767011856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-68312990951012400602008-01-25T00:48:00.000-08:002008-01-25T00:48:00.000-08:00The payload capacity of the LEM and/or capsule sho...<i>The payload capacity of the LEM and/or capsule should be able to de determined from blueprints,</i><br><br>The very fact that blueprints are "hard to get" means that there is something embarrassing and shameful here - WE NEVER WENT, BUT KEEP PAYING.<br><br>The way we of a certain nation are expected to pay up simply because of an acronym - WW2Biological_Unithttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01321950739186432108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-55272079047597732602008-01-24T12:32:00.000-08:002008-01-24T12:32:00.000-08:00Not all the images are reddened up, but the vast m...Not all the images are reddened up, but the vast majority of those intended for public consumption and press releases have been.Mike Barahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17172462170076618847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-1589832090022516412008-01-24T11:39:00.000-08:002008-01-24T11:39:00.000-08:00http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10214.jpg...http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10214.jpg<br><br>Well, this picture from JPL NASA shows a blue sky. So maybe they have changed their ways.Davidhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15872584109585131399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-45928807356553791362008-01-23T20:58:00.000-08:002008-01-23T20:58:00.000-08:00We've not been able to find such weight data s...We've not been able to find such weight data so far. But I like the way you think.Mike Barahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17172462170076618847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-40410235293024037492008-01-23T19:04:00.000-08:002008-01-23T19:04:00.000-08:00If the results of the Chapel Bell experiment remai...If the results of the Chapel Bell experiment remain classified, can't they be brought forth with the FOIA? Perhaps the folks at Blackvault could be of help in this measure.<br><br>In regards to "mechanical debris" brought back from the Apollo missions. Would we be able to determine, the payload capacity of a LEM? then determine how much of that capacity was filled? A weight perhaps? And from that filled capacity or weight, determine how much catalogued lunar "stuff" is currently kept here on Earth? Then essentially look for a discrepancy between the "stuff" we know of here on Earth, and the amount of "stuff" that was contained in the LEM or capsule on its journey home?<br><br>If there's missing weight, or material, then it could bolster your argument that there's more "stuff" out there that was brought back than we have access to.jjrakmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14546330884554172704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-8851826249418626102008-01-22T17:57:00.000-08:002008-01-22T17:57:00.000-08:00jjrakman said... Space Visionaries Hope to Save Ma...jjrakman said... <br>Space Visionaries Hope to Save Manned Space Exploration<br><br>http://www.wired.com/<br>----<br><br>I do NOT mean to keep 'picking' on you jjrakman but everyone should KNOW by now that the BUSHes NEVER complete what they start.<br><br>First Gulf war was to get Saddam out of Kuwait AND help the Shiites in the south...ques what...Georgie Sr left them stranded with NO air support as Saddam slaughtered thousands...and those WMDs...WE agve them to him...well georgie Sr did while he worked for Ronie Reagan to fight the Iranians.<br><br>And Georgie Sr.'s great "Space Vision"...where di it go...same place Georgie Jr's plan is going...down the toilet..and you CANNOT blame Clinton. BOTH BUSHES cut NASA funding as percentage of GDP as the Wired article points out that Georgie Jr just did. And because of hageiographers who will re-write history they find SOME way to blame this on Clinton as well should Hillary get elected.<br><br>Georgie Jr promised THIS Iraq war would be a cake walk and we would be showered with flowers...HA...showeed with bullets and turn Iraq into a have for Al-Queda...how's THAT for the "Doing a heck of job Brownie" President?<br><br>At least Clinton COMPLETED his deeds...the evidence was left on the blue dress.<br><br>The BUSHes have ALWAYS left messes for others to clean up after.<br><br>Bob...:Droberthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04200824860134560491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-41842810425179071552008-01-21T12:41:00.000-08:002008-01-21T12:41:00.000-08:00jjrakman asked this question:"Wouldn't it...jjrakman asked this question:<br><br>"Wouldn't it be easier to think that any such potential Martians, or an antediluvian civilization, being aware of this kind of hyperdimensional physics, would have developed their own cosmically ergonomic architecture (for lack of a better phrase or word), that would be in tune with how nature and physics work?" <br><br>I think a valid question. Consider this question in rebuttal: Did the builders of the Washington Monument have in mind a specific ideal in its design and location, relative to other structures and streets in the vicinity? Would they, by these efforts, seek to convey a message to those in the future that happened upon them, be it next Tuesday or in the next epoch? Then add to your answer the idea that ones who built these structures have a greater understanding of the seen and unseen universe than any of us. <br><br>Also, you used the term antediluvian. How do you see that as relevant? Are you asserting that all of these things that appear as ruins in the solar system were built in that time frame and then abandoned? RCH is fond of saying that these structures are 100's of thousands of years old.DrRonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00593942885533117465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-48213884183645561152008-01-20T23:05:00.000-08:002008-01-20T23:05:00.000-08:00the color chart on every lander, from Viking 1 &am...the color chart on every lander, from Viking 1 & 2,Pathfinder, Spirit, & Opportunity, was put there for exactly the purpose of intent....<br>to see the correct colors of Mars...be it rocks, soil, sand,surface features, or the sky.<br>without a doubt..NASA has deliberately altered the color of the sky on Mars, to a gharrish red, from blue.<br>I am willing to bet, that there is alot more oxygen on Mars, than Nasa is letting on.PJV RESEARCHhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14654056842573140002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-11513586346492709912008-01-19T10:43:00.000-08:002008-01-19T10:43:00.000-08:00Regarding Disney's "Man and the Moon"...Regarding Disney's "Man and the Moon"<br><br>After reviwing this film on YouTube, I noticed the "moon base" talked about in the book.<br><br>But another scene intrigued me. In particular, the scene showing the crater whose depth could not be discerned, because apparently it was deeper than the instruments would allow for measure. In addition, the walls of the crater seemed higher and steeper than those of other craters as depicted in this film.<br><br>Could it be possible, that they were prtraying some sort of entryway or exhaust port, since if I recall correctly, there were some experiments that suggested the Moon was hollow?jjrakmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14546330884554172704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-71138611148948801882008-01-19T08:37:00.000-08:002008-01-19T08:37:00.000-08:00"m" wrote: ...if your colour calibration..."m" wrote: <i>...if your colour calibration plate is un-calibrated then so is the colour of the shadows.</i><br><br>I dunno why you say that, squire (your spelling gives you away as a Brit -- NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT). The whole point of a colour calibration plate is that it's calibrated, innit?expathttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10369924104634464934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-1963803997879223212008-01-18T23:55:00.000-08:002008-01-18T23:55:00.000-08:00Question regarding the Message of Cydonia:I've...Question regarding the Message of Cydonia:<br><br>I've always had a problem with the idea that anyone would construct such massive buildings for the sole purpose of conveying a message to someone in the distant future. That they would think in terms of someone discovering their buildings as future ruins, and decode their layout, as a message specifically intended for anyone.<br><br>Wouldn't it be easier to think that any such potential Martians, or an antediluvian civilization, being aware of this kind of hyperdimensional physics, would have developed their own cosmically ergonomic architecture (for lack of a better phrase or word), that would be in tune with how nature and physics work? <br><br>And that their containing this "hyperdimensional message" was merely the result of their having used the geometry of the universe to construct their buildings in a fashion that was in harmony with the geometry of hyper dimensional physics?jjrakmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14546330884554172704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-72013790488908773082008-01-18T17:25:00.000-08:002008-01-18T17:25:00.000-08:00NASA has been PROVEN to lie for a loooong time.for...NASA has been PROVEN to lie for a loooong time.<br><br>for those who still think NASA is the "true blue American Hero Agency" that will not lie to you...then the burden of proof is on YOU to prove ALL the evidence presented by a large number of researchers, including some WITHIN NASA ITSELF, are wrong and WHY they are wrong.<br><br>You "NASA APOLOGISTS" cannot...so you try and diffuse (lol) and transfer the argument AWAY from their PROVEN behavior and into unrelated material and mis-represented data that YOU trust only because it comes from the "Almighty NASA".<br><br>Strawmen All.<br><br>Bob...:Droberthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04200824860134560491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-63517346394151702642008-01-18T17:03:00.000-08:002008-01-18T17:03:00.000-08:00I've got nothing against Jim Bell when he says...I've got nothing against Jim Bell when he says that '<i>a shadow is deliberately thrown across the color calibration plate</i>' for determining the colour of the sky. Unfortunately if your colour calibration plate is un-calibrated then so is the colour of the shadows.Mhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07614974810495434698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-8478735472728355372008-01-18T13:42:00.000-08:002008-01-18T13:42:00.000-08:00I'm agreeing that you get more energy from blu...I'm agreeing that you get more energy from blue light than from red. I'm not willing to go the extra step, though, which is Bara's "the designers must have known the sky was blue, or they'd never have relied on photovoltaics as opposed to RTGs".<br><br>Then there's a lot of additional theory that I don't feel qualified to comment on.expathttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10369924104634464934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-1273406713539218972008-01-18T12:55:00.000-08:002008-01-18T12:55:00.000-08:00ROFLMAOROFLMAOMike Barahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17172462170076618847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-35914677103495303532008-01-18T11:17:00.000-08:002008-01-18T11:17:00.000-08:00expat wrote:I'm saying that scattered light fr...<i>expat wrote:<br>I'm saying that scattered light from the sky is a minority of the light received by the cells. The great majority is direct sunlight, which is independent of the color of the sky.</i><br><br>So the <b>majority</b> of the light hitting the rover is direct sunlight? <br><br>What this means is that all we need to settle this baloney is a colour reference - a calibration chart on Mars...For that would be all we need if the MAJORITY of the light is direct sunlight and that there is only MINOR scattered light from the sky.<br><br>I hope Expat is correct on this...<br><br>http://darkmission.blogspot.com/2007/10/new-panorama-confirms-nasas-color.html<br><br>...because he's actually agreeing with Mike for a change.<br><br>I'm a cameraman and editor. You cannot argue with a known colour reference, especially if, as Expat says, direct sunlight represents the majority of the light hitting it....Mhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07614974810495434698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-51953305196332581382008-01-18T02:29:00.000-08:002008-01-18T02:29:00.000-08:00Is RCH still saying there are Glass Tunnels on Mar...Is RCH still saying there are Glass Tunnels on Mars when they have been identified as Lichtenberg figures ? They are being seen ALL OVER Mars and <b>are predicted by the Electric Universe Theory.</b>Biological_Unithttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01321950739186432108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-2569345946369815492008-01-17T19:55:00.000-08:002008-01-17T19:55:00.000-08:00I know this story already.Sure NASA lies. Why do y...I know this story already.<br><br>Sure NASA lies. Why do you believe the Manned Missions to the Moon really happened ?Biological_Unithttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01321950739186432108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-14370423715549478612008-01-17T17:39:00.000-08:002008-01-17T17:39:00.000-08:00drron: I'll spell it out, then, although Bara ...drron: I'll spell it out, then, although Bara will almost certainly spike this as he has most of my contributions in the last week:<br><br>Bara says that blue light is better for powering photovoltaic cells than red light. That's quite correct.<br><br>He maintains that the spirit/opportunity engineers must have known the Martian sky is blue or they'd never have used photovoltaic cells as a power source.<br><br>I'm saying that scattered light from the sky is a minority of the light received by the cells. The great majority is direct sunlight, which is independent of the color of the sky. Red dust in the atmosphere, and particularly red dust actually settling on the solar panels, is a real problem limiting the life of a Mars rover.<br><br>Summary: photovoltaic cells are an efficient source of electrical power regardless of the color of the sky.expathttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10369924104634464934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-53098546670926043782008-01-17T15:48:00.000-08:002008-01-17T15:48:00.000-08:00I remember the pictures from TEM of the rovers bei...I remember the pictures from TEM of the rovers being prepared on earth and how the yellow cabling covers changed drastically as photographed by the rover itself on the surface of Mars. I do not know exactly what light was overhead the rover that day on Mars, assuming it was the sun, why the stark difference? But is it not true that even in a vacuum that, to the human eye, colors look the same if the light source is the same? Of course then you debate the atmospheric composition of Mars that particular day, sun angle, diffraction etc. <br><br> Mike can you link those to this post? I tried to find on TEM? That was something that was really striking to me. How could the cable colors be that different? Thank you.<br><br>Also, as usual, expat I do not understand your post. Obviously you went to a different professor of literature than did I. You read the same post and comprehend something totally different than what meaning is implied. IE: solar panelsDrRonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00593942885533117465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-81096965051302238092008-01-17T11:44:00.000-08:002008-01-17T11:44:00.000-08:00Jim Bell writes about color-correcting the Martian...Jim Bell writes about color-correcting the Martian sky in his book[1]of Spirit & Opportunity photos. He explains that a shadow is deliberately thrown across the color calibration plate. Comparison of the sunlit and shadowed color patches enables sky color to be derived.<br><br>A 2004 paper in Science[2]settled on the word "tawny" to describe the Martian sky, and that's a fair description of nearly all the images in Jim Bell's book.<br><br>I don't think your argument about the solar panels is a good one. Direct light from the sun is what makes the majority of solar power, not diffused light from the sky.<br><br>Cheers...<br><br>[1] "Postcards from Mars" Dutton, 2006; ISBN 0-525-94985-4<br><br>[2] "Atmospheric Imaging Results from Mars Rovers" Lemmon et al., Science 306, 1753–1756. the abstract is here:<br>http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/306/5702/1753expathttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10369924104634464934noreply@blogger.com