tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post1436012219487733331..comments2023-12-13T15:01:10.195-08:00Comments on MIKE BARA.com: India Daily Says That Indian Space Organization Will Attempt to Force NASA to Admit "Extraterrestrial Presence" on the Moon in Wake of Water DiscoveryMike Barahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17172462170076618847noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-76900524128043639032009-10-29T08:44:04.512-07:002009-10-29T08:44:04.512-07:00"Duh, what's a TV?"I'm with ya, ..."Duh, what's a TV?"<br><br>I'm with ya, T'Zairis.<br><br>I've been away from it for over eight years now,<br>and I must say, when I see it at Mickie D's, it<br>just looks plain ridiculous somehow.<br><br>And right on yet again, Val,<br><br>not to mention there's a resurgence in the BBS<br>phenomenon, or so I hear.<br><br>Well, well, well. I almost can't wait for<br>Marshall Law, to see how it all works out.<br><br>Should be interesting!<br><br>:-)<br><br>Hathor -- Checking the supplies<br><br>;-)marsandrohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18160904567767011856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-24074230528409025872009-10-28T19:39:31.446-07:002009-10-28T19:39:31.446-07:00They can put in all the control nodes they want. T...They can put in all the control nodes they want. They will still be hacked around. It's a hundred million hackers to however many thousands of controllers. The numbers against are too overwhelming. Look at how useless DRM has been.<br><br>The Net does not abide control. It hasn't since day one, and it's not going to change just because some people think they can put limits on it. It's very nature as an unbreakable network works against control.<br><br>They might be able to block off a section temporarily, but that is all.<br><br>I've watched this back and forth for 30 years now.Valkyrie Icehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08847675099789308340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-72552086007940078552009-10-28T09:48:31.356-07:002009-10-28T09:48:31.356-07:00Well said, Val.Even so, to be thorough,I'd hav...Well said, Val.<br><br>Even so, to be thorough,<br>I'd have to say---<br><br>It's a matter of who gets in first.<br><br>I'm reminded of that episode of Star Trek where<br>Kirk was battling the Gorn, and Spock kept saying,<br>"IF he has the time, Doctor...IF he has the time."<br><br>It's going to be a race....<br><br>Control nodes are going in all over the web<br>even as we speak....<br><br>And GeoCities, the birthplace of the blog, just<br>had the plug pulled last night.<br><br>:-)<br><br>Hathor -- Watching the covert action as well...<br><br>;-)<br><br>P.S.: Something good to know---<br><br>THE SEVEN ELEMENTS OF STAGE MAGIC<br><br>1. pass<br>2. palm<br>3. ditch<br>4. drop<br>5. pickup<br>6. misdirection<br>7. simulation<br><br>With Thanks to Penn & Teller.<br><br>:-)marsandrohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18160904567767011856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-44904216871699094342009-10-26T19:30:03.851-07:002009-10-26T19:30:03.851-07:00Check out the "Future 2057" series he di...Check out the "Future 2057" series he did for Discovery channel.<br><br>They are absolute horror stories disguised as futurism, with the barest minimum of possible new tech.<br><br>I mean, RETINA SCANS in 2057??? Insurance companies invading your home with drug scanners in your toilet? A world still using oil 50 years from now?<br><br>Everything Kaku has been in is as anti progress as it's possible to be. He talks about progress, but never in any way that would actually be called PROGRESS. For a show about 50 years hence, nothing was more than maybe 10-15 years from development.Valkyrie Icehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08847675099789308340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-7751456390939451762009-10-19T19:16:26.140-07:002009-10-19T19:16:26.140-07:00Considering Kaku is the chief proponent of Superst...Considering Kaku is the chief proponent of Superstrings, Hyperspace and so on, one would think he would be a bit more openminded, especially regarding the future.<br><br>But I've known he was anything but a futurist when he once said nanotech was "impossible" despite the fact that biology is nothing more than proof of concept of nanotech.<br><br>He's the Anti-Kurzweil. He's just a good looking talking head for anti-progress.Valkyrie Icehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08847675099789308340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-56875237876455508272009-10-19T14:32:36.784-07:002009-10-19T14:32:36.784-07:00Right on, T'Zairis!I was just about to say:&qu...Right on, T'Zairis!<br><br>I was just about to say:<br><br>"It would seem that Michio Kaku is the heir<br>apparent to the late Carl Sagan."<br><br>Now all we need to do is go place some copies of<br>"Dark Mission" in front of one of Kaku's books at<br>Barnes & Noble....<br><br>(...cat on back, kicking, laughing hysterically...)<br><br>:-)<br><br>Hathor -- Getting ready for Barnes & Noble<br><br>;-)<br><br>P.S.: Mike! You're a trend-setter!<br><br>:-))))marsandrohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18160904567767011856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-91861362220818567412009-10-19T07:22:01.093-07:002009-10-19T07:22:01.093-07:00Oh T'Zairis,I bust up *SO* hard whenever Iread...Oh T'Zairis,<br><br>I bust up *SO* hard whenever I<br>read these posts from you!<br><br>I LOVE IT!!!!!!!<br><br>I mean, look who is cited---none other than<br>Michio Kaku, the very chief priest of those who<br>live in denial of new observations.<br><br>Talk about the Head Gatekeeper....<br><br>Or maybe, "Defender of the Faith"...<br><br>...a la Dr. Zaius....<br><br>I'd like nothing more than to go head-to-head<br>against him on Coast To Coast AM and tear him<br>a new one!<br><br>And I'd want you there with me! You AND Val!<br><br>:-)<br><br>Hathor -- Let's b*tch-slap 'em TOGETHER!<br><br>;-)<br><br>P.S.: Yo, Max---<br><br>SCORE!!!!!!!! TWO POINTS!!!!!!!!<br><br>YOU da man!!!!!!!!<br><br>:-))))marsandrohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18160904567767011856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-85471196892309439702009-10-19T02:23:21.179-07:002009-10-19T02:23:21.179-07:00Here is the little news-blurb from the Earthfiles ...Here is the little news-blurb from the Earthfiles website...<br>____________________<br><br>October 18, 2009 - NASA Says LCROSS Moon Impact<br>Experiment A Success, But No Water Ice Data Released.<br><br>“To be a spectacular success, we had to find large quantities<br>of underground ice. Ice on the moon is more valuable than gold.”<br>- Michio Kaku, Ph.D., Quantum Physicist, City College of New York<br><br> The NASA crash of its Lunar CRater Observation<br>and Sensing Satellite (LCROSS) on October 9, 2009, was to see if water ice<br>would fly into the air when the LCROSS impacted the Cabeus crater<br>(white dot in Cabeus crater at moon's south pole above). “We are blown away<br>by the data returned,” said Anthony Colaprete, LCROSS principal investigator<br>and project scientist. But so far, no announcement about what was found in the<br>$79 million experiment.<br>____________________<br><br>I have never wanted to b*tch-slap a bunch of people this bad in my entire life! <br><br>Also, this really does prove Max's point about what they were really trying to find when they bombed Cabeus. If it was water they were looking for, and that's what was found, there is no reason for not immediately releasing all the experiment data. Period.<br><br>T'ZairisT'Zairishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06712811228926265329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-40267669968265098002009-10-16T06:57:05.517-07:002009-10-16T06:57:05.517-07:00Hmmm...I wonder if NASA is cringingover that list ...Hmmm...<br><br>I wonder if NASA is cringing<br>over that list of chemicals<br>the Indians mentioned with<br>regard to the Moon?<br><br>(Namely, di-hydrogen oxide....)<br><br>:-))))<br><br>Hathor -- Unable to resist that one...<br><br>;-))))marsandrohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18160904567767011856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-16881290000850587202009-10-15T07:25:07.613-07:002009-10-15T07:25:07.613-07:00Hi Val,( *gulp* ) I cringedwhen I read that listof...Hi Val,<br><br>( *gulp* ) I cringed<br>when I read that list<br>of...chemicals...<br><br>To each their own....<br><br>Be that as it may, our perceptions obviously are<br>not limited to the so-called "five senses."<br><br>If they were, "remote viewing" would not exist.<br><br>Perception exercizes involving dealing with mental<br>imagery might interest you. What T'Zairis and I<br>have been discussing is the origin of those very<br>mental images.<br><br>You don't have to try to "make them come from<br>somewhere." They already do. Just learn to<br>concentrate on the ones that are of interest,<br>and "follow the yellow brick road" wherever it<br>leads you.<br><br>That's the trick I think you are seeking.<br><br>My two cents, anyway....<br><br>:-)<br><br>Hathor -- Trying to be helpful...<br><br>;-)marsandrohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18160904567767011856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-14093155741343786222009-10-15T01:49:59.213-07:002009-10-15T01:49:59.213-07:00My view has always been that we are born able to s...My view has always been that we are born able to see almost everything, but as we are wired to imitate, as we grow older we begin to filter out those things which our elders cannot see, basically creating mental filters based on what we observe as being "real" in the sense that they are visible to everyone.<br><br>As a evolutionary strategy this makes some sense as we want to be able to see the leopard sneaking up on us instead of being distracted by the immaterial. Yet we never lose the ability to see everything. Some people can consciously put aside these filters and re-enable full sight, others do not do as well.<br><br>I've never "seen" anything, but I have been able to sense the occasional unusual "energy" and have some theories about how "magic" might work. Alas I cannot at present do anything like OBE or stuff like that. I cannot enter a trance state and I have been impossible to hypnotize when it's been tried. Even such things as THC, Ecstasy, and LSD seem to have muted or negligible effects on me.<br><br>However, I am quite looking forward to the advent of full immersion VR. It should make a wonderful teaching tool for meditations and consciousness evolution.Valkyrie Icehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08847675099789308340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-66302630363751229662009-10-14T06:59:34.889-07:002009-10-14T06:59:34.889-07:00Hi T'Zairis,I thought you'd appreciate tha...Hi T'Zairis,<br><br>I thought you'd appreciate that<br>particular story.<br><br>I've had a number of quite similar experiences.<br><br>How we perceive reality indeed is an issue ripe<br>for discussion. Consider:<br><br>Most people start grinning that funny grin when<br>one speaks of "beings of light."<br><br>And yet, what are *we*?<br><br>Let's change viewpoint---<br><br>Wait for dark, put on a pair of infrared goggles,<br>and look at the passing people. What do you see?<br><br>How about...<br><br>"Beings Of Light"....<br><br>We glow in the infrared. It's as simple as that.<br><br>And what is physical reality?<br><br>Start at the quantum vacuum, proceed from there<br>to Bergman particle theory, and consider that all<br>particle interactions are energy transfers via what<br>we call "fields" (that term being borrowed from<br>mathematics).<br><br>It's all in how we think of it.<br><br>Ah! The key!<br><br>THINKING!!!!!<br><br>Perception, where it lives.<br><br>Well said, T'Zairis!<br><br>:-)<br><br>Hathor -- Probing the Mystery of Reality<br><br>;-)<br><br>P.S.: Am I starting to write like Charles Fort,<br>or what?<br><br>:-))))<br><br>P.P.S: Some people say, "Oh, it's all in your head!"<br><br>Why, that's exactly right!<br><br>(Cackle-cackle...)<br><br>:-))))marsandrohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18160904567767011856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-24996763803879608512009-10-13T21:06:00.570-07:002009-10-13T21:06:00.570-07:00Marsandro--I like the Gillette story! It's yet...Marsandro--<br><br>I like the Gillette story! It's yet more evidence that our current models of Mind are rather inaccurate.<br><br>One thing that a lot of experiencers talk about is the difficulty of hard-and-fast classifications of exactly what beings encountered 'on the Astral' actually are. There is also mounting evidence that the (Earth-mythological) Fae-folk and Skypeople may be the same thing, as might (human-concept) angels and the Greys' 'disembodied energy-Being' teachers. John Mack was running into this a lot when he was studying the experiencer phenomenon, and you also get this same conflation when you start studying the accounts of entheogen-users, a la Terrence McKenna and his DMT-vision 'machine elves' and 'self-dribbling jeweled basketballs'. It's what Arthur C. Clarke was talking about when he made that 'advanced civilizations' technologies being indistinguishable from magic' remark.<br><br>I think that one of the main reasons for the genetic tweaking of humanity is that our neural nets are being upgraded so as to be able to begin to decode/experience higher dimensional realms. I also think that entheogens are part of the bioengineering program, and that what is 'seen' is actually infolded higher dimensionality. Since most of Western science-based reality-formatting has dropped shamanic models of consciousness, it terms these visions 'simple biological hallucinations', because it does not have any other coherent model for what is really being experienced by a Huichol shaman during a peyote trance.<br><br>Researchers also get tripped up when they try to classify inner/upper dimensional Beings as if they must fit neatly into only one pigeon-hole. I strongly suspect that the truth is that advanced consciousness-technology-wielding Skypeople can also be angels and faeries all at the same time.<br><br>A case in point is the apparition of the 'Virgin Mary' at Fatima. Portuguese researchers have found that early accounts of what the children said described the Being who appeared to them as only about three-and-one-half feet tall, and that--unlike humans-- she had solid black eyes. She never identified herself to the children as the Virgin Mary, nor did any of the children ever refer to her as such. When a standard-issue statute of the Virgin Mary was erected by the Catholic Church at the site, the oldest of the three children was asked 'Is this the lady that you saw?' to which she responded, 'This lady (meaning the statue) is very beautiful, but she is not the lady that we saw.'<br><br>The bottom line is, if we really want to get a handle on what is going on, we need to get out of the this-or-that, 'it can only be one thing at a time' paradigm. It's time for a reality-formatting-code upgrade...<br><br>Peace,<br><br>T'ZairisT'Zairishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06712811228926265329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-53790974735056130452009-10-09T14:18:39.384-07:002009-10-09T14:18:39.384-07:00Hi Val,Our lovely Govt and the "Draco" a...Hi Val,<br><br>Our lovely Govt and the "Draco" allegedly are in<br>league with one another. There have been a<br>number of eyewitness accounts of these Reptoids<br>being in high-security positions at highly classified<br>military installations.<br><br>Preston Nichols (I think was his name) allegedly<br>was one of the Montauk engineers, and attested<br>to the presence of these creatures....<br><br>Oh, and I did not mean to suggest that a war with<br>the Draco (?) had *lasted* 80,000 years. That was<br>merely the time since what I call "The Nephilim War(s)"....<br><br>As to *one* party of a war not having hyperspeed<br>transport, there *can* be a war between two such<br>parties if *one* of them can reach the other.<br><br>But then, your previous points would apply...why<br>would such a war take place....<br><br>I just wouldn't quite go so far as to deem it to be<br>"impossible"...that's *my* opinion, at least....<br><br>Granted, "bear fights bear" is a lot more likely, or<br>dare I say "reasonable," than "bear fights mouse."<br>I'm with you there....<br><br>For our purposes, however, that just means that<br>"the mystery deepens"....<br><br>Right on about nanotech. I am an engineer, and<br>have had occaision to comment on it at some length<br>in this forum. I also know Eric Drexler personally,<br>having met him in 1978 at the home of Keith and<br>Carolyn Henson, founders of the L5 Society. He<br>was still a grad student at U of A Tucson then,<br>just doing his Master's thesis on the idea of<br>nanotech.<br><br>Anyway, the "Draco" supposedly have been on<br>Earth from the time of Lemuria, having lived<br>peacably alongside the Lyrans (i.e., the Atlanteans)<br>for many centuries, until war broke out over (as<br>some claim) control of the Earth.<br><br>Population issues, maybe...or maybe just plain old<br>"irreconcilable differences"....<br><br>(Comically, I picture some Draco father telling<br>his daughter, "You are *NOT* marrying that---<br>that---that LYRAN....")<br><br>As usual, you make good points....<br><br>:-)<br><br>Hathor -- Seeing the humor EVEN in this...<br><br>;-)marsandrohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18160904567767011856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-62336260589951360152009-10-08T12:22:31.076-07:002009-10-08T12:22:31.076-07:00Oh Val,One other thing---It is indeed odd that NAS...Oh Val,<br><br>One other thing---<br><br>It is indeed odd that NASA would "bomb the Moon<br>to look for water," since elsewhere on their own<br>websites, they list what they know about the<br>Moon, to wit, that it's a giant *hollow* titanium<br>sphere with an artificial regolith averaging only<br>about 16 feet deep across the entire surface.<br><br>Knowing that, why would they "bomb for water?"<br><br>Why, indeed?<br><br>Good point....<br><br>VERY good point....<br><br>:-)<br><br>Hathor -- Standing shoulder to shoulder with Val<br>and The Tigress<br><br>;-)marsandrohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18160904567767011856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-82385778417343663262009-10-08T07:36:47.978-07:002009-10-08T07:36:47.978-07:00Hi Val,Hmmm...yes, you do make a good point.Howeve...Hi Val,<br><br>Hmmm...yes, you do make a good point.<br><br>However, I would say that there are many other<br>perceived "alien threats" besides the "dreaded<br>Draco," David Icke and company notwithstanding.<br><br>And then, there are the "elementals" of the late<br>John A. Keel, which could be something else<br>entirely.<br><br>To quote the Wicked Witch of the West,<br><br>"Oh, what a world, what a world...."<br><br>:-)<br><br>Hathor -- Reading "Our Haunted Planet"...<br><br>;-)marsandrohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18160904567767011856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-90341949898083494912009-10-08T07:08:35.602-07:002009-10-08T07:08:35.602-07:00Hi T'Zairis,Point taken.Although...In the case...Hi T'Zairis,<br><br>Point taken.<br><br>Although...<br><br>In the case of one particular SOHO sequence I've<br>seen, the "battle interpretation" would seem to<br>be unequivocal. It went like this.<br><br>1. Draco warship (?) approaches two cylinder ships<br>head-on.<br><br>2. Cylinder ships maneuver to high flanks.<br><br>3. Draco warship (?) fires something (?) at the<br>cylinder ships.<br><br>4. The cylinder ships return fire.<br><br>5. There is an explosion at the "bridge" portion of<br>the Draco warship (?).<br><br>6. The Draco warship (?) explodes, leaving only a<br>glowing debris field.<br><br>7. The cylinder ships fly on.<br><br>It's a bit difficult to interpret such a sequence<br>as much of anything but warfare of some kind.<br><br>Or so it seems to my...limited viewpoint....<br><br>????????<br><br>I'm one puzzled pussycat....<br><br>< o\|/<br>(= o-)<br>< o/|\<br><br>:-)<br><br>Hathor -- Leaving the door open to Mr. Churchill....<br><br>;-)<br><br>P.S.: Then there was that "ship of the gods" (the<br>one that looks like an Egyptian heiroglyph) "firing"<br>a beam surrounded by plasma rings the size of<br>Arkansas...at something beyond view....<br><br>I mean, what in THE WORLD....<br><br>Communications? Beaming over to another ship?<br><br>Or a weapon???<br><br>If nothing else, an astounding amount of POWER<br>evident, as compared to the size of the ship,<br>which in any event, reportedly is on the scale<br>of the Greenland object.<br><br>And sporting a "crucifix" on top to boot....<br><br>Complete with a..."Christ figure"....<br><br>And yet, even *that* is "puny" compared to the...<br>planet-building machine???<br><br>Let's face it...we don't have a clue, do we....<br><br>I sure don't....<br><br>:-)pmarsandrohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18160904567767011856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-28488597797082159912009-10-07T17:37:43.762-07:002009-10-07T17:37:43.762-07:00Unity is not required. Any civilization no matter ...Unity is not required. Any civilization no matter how advanced will not share a single mode of thought.<br><br>So I am quite sure various factions exist, some which are more wary of us than others and so on.<br><br>However, a civilization that spans stars has enough resources to reduce a single planet to a burning ball of rock with no means for us to defend ourselves. We are no threat to them as we are. At best some may fear what we could become and work to keep the worst from happening, not for their sake, because regardless we are no threat to them, but for the sake of humanity itself.<br><br>and there may be factions that are simply "let em kill themselves"<br><br>Until we get disclosure we're not going to know the truth. Perhaps the Draco's are military "fakes" perhaps they are a real and dangerous species. Regardless, they are a little too convenient for a military obsessed with Alpha Male Dominance behavior.<br><br>It's that genetic legacy which has cursed man from the beginning, that DNA driven need to be top dog of top dogs. It's the root cause of almost all human suffering. Knowing that, it makes it far too likely that faced with an OVERWHELMING alpha dog of alpha dogs those who are top dog on earth would seek to do everything they could to STAY top dog, even if it's just top dog of one planet. The Draco's are all too convenient both as a "threat" and a "cover" behind which the alpha dog elite can hide. <br><br>Still, it does seem likely that we'll find out for sure within a decade or two. Either by Disclosure, or picking away at the wall of secrecy until nothing is left hidden.<br><br>For example, now that other countries are going to the moon, NASA can't hide things much longer. Even though I would bet that their "bomb the moon to look for water" is a cover for destroying something they don't want found, they would only be doing so because they know that they are losing control of their monopoly on space. Hopefully whatever they are trying to destroy either defends itself or the "bomb" get's deactivated before something of vast historical value get's trashed.Valkyrie Icehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08847675099789308340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-66786539790421562042009-10-07T15:02:09.413-07:002009-10-07T15:02:09.413-07:00Marsandro--Yes, I am familiar with the pix that Jo...Marsandro--<br><br>Yes, I am familiar with the pix that John Lenard Walson has taken, and I am also familiar with the SOHO stuff as well as the cylinders near Saturn. I think they all show legit 'somethings', but it is the interpretation of those 'somethings' that I think needs sorting out. It's a good idea not to look at these things through a strictly Earth-human-interpretation lens, but I think that some of the conclusions being foisted on folks are attempts to limit thinking to the 'human-lens' possibility only.<br><br>For instance-- there have been sightings of smaller craft/lights flying straight at larger objects/ships at a very high rate of speed. They do not slow down at all, and they look for all the world like they are going to crash into the large object. There is a huge, sudden flash of light, and then the smaller object is gone. So what happened?<br><br>The Earth-military mindset explanation would be, 'The smaller ship was attacking the bigger ship, and the bigger ship blew it away with some exotic weapon or force-field. It's war out there in the stars!'<br><br>The exotic physics explanation would be, 'The larger ship is in phase with this dimension-- we see it clearly. The small lights coming in are out-of-phase ships stepping down from trans-light or alternate dimensional states. As they match frequency with the larger ship, they fully materialize, emitting a burst of light, and then they dock with or enter the larger ship.'<br><br>The exotic physics explanation is exactly what happened at Bentwaters, when the basketball-sized glowing sphere suddenly 'exploded' in a soundless, shock-waveless burst of light and morphed into a tetrahedron/triangular-shaped craft that looked like it was made out of obsidian or black onyx. What was witnessed there was a dimensional step-down in action, pure and simple.<br><br>Now, both Disclosure witnesses and the Bentwater witnesses (some of whom are also Disclosure witnesses) keep repeating the same 'they don't attack us, but they do pointedly warn us that we will not be allowed to use nukes' story. The military-control-freak mindset chooses to feel under attack when thus warned because its dominant paradigm and in-culture status are threatened by beings who are many tens of times more technologically capable than they themselves are. However, as a shamanically-oriented human who does not seek to control her fellow beings, I choose to look at these Skyperson reminders as basic common sense, proffered by those who are more expert in things like dimensional rips than I currently am. I am no more threatened by the Skypeople knowing more than me than I was by my Dad knowing calculus when I was struggling with my times-tables in third grade. I mean, big fat hairy deal!<br><br>So what I try to do is just collect everything-- all the data I can. Then I lay it out and look for trends; what supports or contradicts other bits, what is self-consistent and what internally contradicts itself from the get-go. When I see everyone except for Military/Intel-connected types saying 'they mean us no harm', I think I have correctly spotted a genuine trend in the data.<br><br>I would say, don't throw out the SOHO-baby with the bathwater, but don't focus strictly on the pix themselves. Also focus on what is being said about them, and on *who* is saying *what*.<br><br>Peace,<br><br>T'ZairisT'Zairishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06712811228926265329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-32768080541815084562009-10-07T06:56:56.870-07:002009-10-07T06:56:56.870-07:00Hi T'Zairis,Hmmm...I see now.So, I presume you...Hi T'Zairis,<br><br>Hmmm...I see now.<br><br>So, I presume you must be familiar with things like<br>this:<br><br>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKG0_xujJSs<br><br>I had wondered what was going on with that. Now<br>it makes sense (or, perhaps a bit more accurately,<br>more sense than it did).<br><br>So...our Draco buddies are nothing but oversized<br>lab lizards....<br><br>And "SOHO Theatre" is a psyop....<br><br>No wonder Shuttle astronauts have taken to booze....<br><br>:-)<br><br>Hathor -- One eyebrow raised in "ah - HA" mode...<br><br>;-)<br><br>P.S.: Considering where classified military genetic<br>science was thirty years ago, the creation of a<br>"Draco" from a Kimodo Dragon would be a simple<br>matter.<br><br>Vestigial tail, walk upright, raise the IQ to<br>around 250 or so....<br><br>Voila! Instant Draco.<br><br>Just like making Fizzies.... :-))))<br><br>:-)<br><br>P.P.S: One must always remember that classified<br>technologies are far ahead of what is generally<br>known.<br><br>Case in point: can you name the first operational<br>turbofan jet aircraft?<br><br>Notice I did *NOT* say "fighter"....<br><br>If you guessed "the ME-262"...you're WRONG!<br><br>It was the Petroni Jet, which flew in 1929. (Even<br>the P-1101 and the He-280 preceded the ME-262,<br>which had Jumo 004 engines with high-speed<br>balance problems.)<br><br>The Petroni Jet is commonly known today as the<br>now-obsolete Lockheed T-33.<br><br>Non-inline turbofan jet engines existed prior to<br>1920, believe it or not. And that wasn't the<br>classified stuff. Those were the publicly known<br>patents.<br><br>(Application of these engines to aviation had some<br>issues needing to be resolved, hence you did not<br>see a lot of jets in WW II.)<br><br>Such examples abound....<br><br>:-)marsandrohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18160904567767011856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-3415799034407601772009-10-06T20:41:39.441-07:002009-10-06T20:41:39.441-07:00Valkyrie Ice--Totally with you on 'changing ph...Valkyrie Ice--<br><br>Totally with you on 'changing physicality like a shirt' (or, as the Native American tribal elders refer to it, 'dropping-- or putting on-- the Robe'). Lisette Larkins talks about this very thing with regard to her own experiences with the small Greys. While on board their ship(s), she saw small Grey bodies in what looked like transparent cabinets. When she asked the Greys about the bodies, they explained to her that just as they are involved with teaching humans, so too do they have their own teachers. Many of the Greys' teachers do not routinely wear a physical body, but sometimes there are occasions when they need a temporary one, so the Greys provide 'extras' as a courtesy to these dis-corporeal Beings. They come, enter and animate the body for as long as they need it. When they depart, the body goes back in the drawer, ready for the next Being who may drop by.<br><br>Add to this what Phillip Corso said in his Roswell book about the recovered small Beings from the Roswell crash having '4 lobes to their brains', two of which were biological and two which were basically circuit-boards and chips, and it becomes very obvious that some really extraordinary stuff is going on with regard to the mastery of both physical genetics and consciousness.<br><br>Marsandro--<br><br>My kick with 'nasty Dracos' is that 1) Reptile=Evil is a distinctly human meme, and 2) stuff can indeed be staged via Photoshop or whatever. If inconvenient things can be airbrushed/excised from photos (routine, according to Disclosure witnesses), then the inverse can also be true-- stuff can be concocted, and probably has been.<br><br>Also, many Disclosure witnesses have talked about the cloning of 'creepy creatures', specifically designed to be particularly psychologically repulsive *to humans*. I see no reason to doubt these witnesses, as their stories are unwittingly corroborated by other Disclosure witnesses who have come forward to testify about other issues.<br><br>I had the pleasure of personally hearing and speaking with Dr. Carol Rosin at one of the Disclosure events a few years back, and she repeatedly says that Von Braun was really scared about the weaponization of space. The main reason he told her about the bogus enemies (Russia, Rogue Nations, Asteroids, and Evil Aliens, in that order) is that he wanted to impress on her that all of these were false foes from the get-go, and that they were being used as excuses by trigger-happy ignoramuses to put weapons into space for two reasons-- 1) to cow everybody on Earth into submission to 'the few', and 2) to actively target the Skypeople. Several other Disclosure witnesses have said that about half the clandestine stuff that's already up there is not pointed at the Earth, but out towards deep space, and that we have indeed shot down a few of their craft, yet they are quite forebearant and do not retaliate. <br><br>So, if there was such a thing as 'arrogant, human-hating Dracos' who make humans 'bow before them' (a particularly human way to display servility) and who 'do not allow humans to make eye-contact with them' (again, a standard human dominance ritual, routinely used in U.S. military basic training by DIs and in U.S. prisons by guards on inmates), we would have already been soundly thrashed for even daring to point *one* killer satellite in their direction, let alone 50 or so...<br><br>Peace,<br><br>T'ZairisT'Zairishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06712811228926265329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-40972902064221936002009-10-06T16:23:29.133-07:002009-10-06T16:23:29.133-07:00I wouldn't put it past the military to special...I wouldn't put it past the military to special effect a few space battles to push for space based weapons. <br><br>I don't now if you are familiar with a transhumanist term called uploading, but it is basically the concept that eventually any biological based intelligence would achieve a level of technology capable of transferring the brain into a computer based medium, thereby enabling unlimited mental enhancement and operational speeds at computer rates.<br><br>Given that space travel requires that level of development, I could even see where the "species" that exist are only little more than temporary physical bodies for a computerized "entity" and as such would be little more than ants are to the overall colony organism. <br><br>Which would make the loss of a few "crash victims" about as meaningful as us losing skin cells. <br><br>As for Draco's "playing" the bad guys, think about it for a second. Humanity has an instinctive fear of reptiles. What better "villain" than one?<br><br>Whenever I hear about "villainous aliens" or see them in the movies, I always find they are cardboard characters with cartoon motives. "rob our planet blind of resources" when the rest of the solar system contains thousands of times more for free. To enslave man, even though they are sophisticated enough to have robots to do all labor. To conqueror us is probably the biggest joke of all. <br><br>Think about it seriously. If Marsandro is correct about the battles, name one single earth made weapon which has a chance of even scratching the hull of a SCOUTSHIP, let alone a 60 mile long starship. Even if you take into account possible reverse engineering of some weapons found on wrecks, it would be like a flea trying to keep the dog from scratching if our military tried to stop a serious invasion.<br><br>So by simple logic, if aliens exist, are capable of startravel and can build 60 mile long ships, they would be as overwhelming as the Conquistadors were to the Inca.<br><br>As we are not currently living as alien prisoners or slaves, we are therefore not a target for conquest. Therefore, stories of hostile aliens are either "bad cop" actors working to keep the darker side of human nature from becoming too destructive, or they are a manufactured "threat" in a false flag operation.<br><br>The same holds true for most "alien slave driver" stories. If they wanted to enslave us, we would have been long ago.<br><br>We are on the verge of developing technologies to enable us to reshape our bodies to our desires. We're about to be able to change sex and skin tones as easily as we don a shirt. Given what we are capable of, I can not even imagine what a culture THOUSANDS of years older is capable of, but it makes everything thing we know likely little better than a stone age tribe against a division of mechanized infantry.Valkyrie Icehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08847675099789308340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-89228150598215582282009-10-06T09:45:54.861-07:002009-10-06T09:45:54.861-07:00Hi Tarius,Hmmm...I've been perusing themaps.go...Hi Tarius,<br><br>Hmmm...I've been perusing the<br>maps.google.com pages, and...<br><br>Sure enough, IT IS near the Integratron, and to<br>the east.<br><br>You take Belfield Boulevard from Linn Road up to<br>Giant Rock Road, and eventually arrive at Giant<br>Rock. The bunker and ship are somewhere south<br>of there, a mile or two south via Giant Rock Road<br>to some turnoff or other. (I remember only that<br>you go left, and then right, and around some<br>rocky hills. Then you park, and climb uphill over<br>rocks and sand for a hundred yards or so.)<br><br>Hmmm...that *might* be the bunker I see off the<br>end portion of Lorraine Avenue, in that section<br>of hills bordered by 29 Palms McAg Road on the<br>south side. There's this thing that looks a bit like<br>a grand piano, in that northeast notch...I think<br>that's it. It's right at the top of that sandy uphill<br>trail from the road.<br><br>But that would mean the ship lay to the north...<br>which would mean my directions were all screwed<br>up when I was there. I thought I was looking to<br>the east.<br><br>Maybe...north-northeast...?<br><br>I see something that looks roughly like a cylinder<br>type ship "in rock form," and it's in a saddle in the<br>mountains to the north, but it isn't nearly big<br>enough. I'm not sure if that's it, or if I'm still<br>looking in the wrong spot.<br><br>I know it's there somewhere, but I'd either have<br>to have Tom take me there again, or show me on<br>the computer map where it is.<br><br>Maybe I just don't recognize it from the air....<br><br>Anyway, that's the general area---around the<br>vicinity of 29 Palms, somewhere to the east of<br>the Integratron.<br><br>Locating Giant Rock clenched it. That's definitely<br>the area. (We visited Giant Rock before going to<br>the bunker.)<br><br>:-)<br><br>Hathor -- Scanning the map...<br><br>;-)<br><br>P.S.: I was surprised how clearly I could see<br>Giant Rock. However, I would point out that<br>it is *indeed* a *giant* rock. That thing is a<br>lot bigger than it looks.<br><br>:-)marsandrohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18160904567767011856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-59394774856035332162009-10-04T16:05:41.965-07:002009-10-04T16:05:41.965-07:00heheheThat's long been my argument T'zaris...hehehe<br><br>That's long been my argument T'zaris.<br><br>One of the biggest problems I have with Sitchen is that he proposes an unbelievable technological level for his space faring beings. Any race advanced enough to survive on a planet travelling through deep space will have much better technology than chemical thrust rockets. Nor will the time frames of hundreds even thousands of years with no advances being made by that culture make anyone who is even the remotest bit familiar with the concept of exponential change see his Annunki as anything other than bad scifi.<br><br>Any civilization capable of space travel has already overcome the problems we've faced as a species, and has no need to access our planet for any "need" that could not be obtained easily from the uninhabited planets, and asteroids in our system. Our combined military might would be an ant's bite to them. "food" would be much easier and safer to reproduce via cloned tissue. Our natural resources would be dwarfed by the abundance of the asteroids and the outer giants. An advanced culture that was not benevolent in the extreme would have no need to deal with us, any conqueror could have wiped us out a million times by now. <br><br>Therefore, logically, the sole reason to visit is to either merely observe, or to aid us in surviving as a race while we make the transition from our primitive roots to a space faring future. Telling us what needs to be said to get us to that point is all too necessary. If they are too benevolent, we'll try to dominate them, if they are too nasty, we won't work with them. Playing good cop bad cop would allow them to guide all sides of human nature, and use both good and bad to help us develop along the least dangerous of many dangerous pathways.<br><br>Also, since I believe we were on the verge of becoming a part of this star spanning culture already, if not having arrived here from a separate star originally, several thousand years ago, I see every possibility that some of those "observers" are as "human" as we will be once we've unlocked our true potential.<br><br>I've known my entire life that I would not always look the way I do presently in everyday reality. That the future of humanity would be one in which we would be accustomed to a vast diversity of species, humanity just one of an infinite number of intelligences.<br><br>I know it's coming. Exactly how or when is the question.<br><br>Anyway, if you are curious about some of my views, my blog has the story.Valkyrie Icehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08847675099789308340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-73488571165949014322009-10-04T14:41:40.025-07:002009-10-04T14:41:40.025-07:00Hi T'Zairis,Firstly, I see I misspelled"C...Hi T'Zairis,<br><br>Firstly, I see I misspelled<br>"Cremo"...duh...(* sheepish<br>cat face *)....<br><br>Fascinating stuff going on out at the Joshua<br>Tree parkland. I had heard of something being<br>done along those lines around there, but I had<br>no details.<br><br>The Greenland ship remained under the ice for<br>millenia, as far as Man knows. It had been<br>classified as a "gravitational anomaly" by a USGS<br>client survey back around 1965 or so. The late<br>Frank Edwards mentioned it in one of his last<br>two books (on UFOs).<br><br>Not damaged? So it's faking the hole? Well, it<br>certainly could, couldn't it....<br><br>I've watched a YouTube video of one of these<br>things doing what I call "the snake dance" over<br>a French city in broad daylight, in plain view<br>of the populace, bending and morphing at random.<br>After *that* display of technological superiority,<br>I believe there is nothing they can't do.<br><br>As for the "battle site," all I can say is that<br>the bunker was indeed blasted to rubble. And<br>the ship appears to have crashed. But...your<br>points remain....<br><br>I'd sure like to visit the Greenland site....<br><br>Talk about *cold*, though....<br><br>:-)<br><br>Hathor -- Booking reservations in Jacob's Harbor<br><br>;-)marsandrohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18160904567767011856noreply@blogger.com