tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post1101820598975450366..comments2023-12-13T15:01:10.195-08:00Comments on MIKE BARA.com: When Pseudoscientists AttackMike Barahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17172462170076618847noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-75963555190340572642009-02-23T12:03:00.000-08:002009-02-23T12:03:00.000-08:00I think Mike is playing a magician that can see in...I think Mike is playing a magician that can see in the future. <br><br>LRO will launch in April ( that if all the thing will go OK ) and you, James Oberg, will be invited on NBC as a space consultant, and you gonna tell us how the structures that is on the TV screen is not actually structures, but large volcanic mass of stone forming a cliff...you know...stuff like that.<br><br>:)Sphinxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01356225248069315164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-31062339824789364552009-02-20T12:40:00.000-08:002009-02-20T12:40:00.000-08:00Your latest delusional fantasy has lost me, again....Your latest delusional fantasy has lost me, again. Since when have I -- or any of my "pals" -- ever been involved in processing Lunar Orbiter data? In your dreams?JimOhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14320277948525739714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-13025900195482273912009-02-20T06:56:00.000-08:002009-02-20T06:56:00.000-08:00Yeah, LRO, a mission run by NASA. Riiiiiiight. I t...Yeah, LRO, a mission run by NASA. Riiiiiiight. <br><br>I trust that about as much as I trust Lunar Orbiter data being "processed" by Jim Oberg and his pals.Mike Barahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17172462170076618847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-44158619243902603462009-02-19T12:26:00.000-08:002009-02-19T12:26:00.000-08:00Dear DonaldHave you seen the photos taken from the...Dear Donald<br><br>Have you seen the photos taken from the Chandrayaan that have bean realesed to the media?<br><br>I mean.....c'mon...there is not a huge difference from what we all see from the previous Apollo Mission.<br><br>Is useless if Richard C. Hoagland or Mike point out some locations on the Moon or Mars. The thing is, so far, every agency that dealing with space research have strong conections with NASA, and as long that NASA keep us far away from the truth, give us even now BLACK & WHITE photos from Mars or diff satellites from the solar system, many of the color photos have been re-adjusted so Mars still going to look RED<br> ESA, the European Space Agency, that give us the most poor black & white photos that I ever see, from Rosetta in September last year. <br><br>Not to mention the camera failure...error recevig data, unknown errors, camera malfunctions and after a few minutes by magic the cameras geting back....and so on..<br><br>There r so many examples...I don't want to copy/paste all the enterprisemission web page here.<br><br>So, my dear Donald, I admire your work, I'm an artist to, I love drawing and do animation but you still have an innocence even at your age and I find that kinda cute. Do you really think that soon as Mike point out a place on the Moon, the next day all the space agency, or lets say only one, one space agency come up and tell us:<br><br>LOOK FOLKS! WE FOUND STRUCTURE ON THE MOON!<br><br>Peace!Sphinxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01356225248069315164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-28879023283589555152009-02-18T08:03:00.000-08:002009-02-18T08:03:00.000-08:00Just to be a stickler for verbal accuracy: David M...Just to be a stickler for verbal accuracy: David Morrison is not a 'pseudo-scientist'. He is a real scientist and he has the documentation and authentic work experience to prove it. Arguably he spoke carelessly and beyond the range of his reliable knowledge when he bad-mouthed Richard. His opinions, and factual foundation for them, are always subject to criticism, on this and any other subject, as I'm sure he would agree -- it's how real scientists operate, or are supposed to.<br><br>But to repeat: perhaps unlike other names percolating around this debate, Morrison's own credentials as a true scientist are legit. He is not a 'pseudo-scientist' (we know of other potential candidates for that label) and to try to portray him as such is an ad hominem smear.JimOhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14320277948525739714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-78085353112026773142009-02-15T22:28:00.000-08:002009-02-15T22:28:00.000-08:00DD,That Biography appeared within a day or so of h...DD,<br><br>That Biography appeared within a day or so of his death, and was already in the can, obviously. And Carl carefully guarded anything that had to do with his public persona. I tend to disagree with you on this. I think he was probably quite involved in the creation of his own TV epitaph.Mike Barahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17172462170076618847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-7990424653647494872009-02-14T21:57:00.000-08:002009-02-14T21:57:00.000-08:00Mike Bara wrote:'[Carl and Richard] even spent...Mike Bara wrote:<br>'[Carl and Richard] even spent time vacationing together on various science cruises in the 1970’s that were witnessed by hundreds of people.'<br><br><br>I participated in the 'Voyage Beyond Apollo' launch cruise aboard the 'Statendam' due to a chance meeting with RCH a few months before. We had a fantastic view of the Launch of Apollo 17. Carl gave an inspirational talk while a slide dissolve unit showed his transparencies. That cruise was quite a gathering of space luminaries, and stands out to me as the best thing Hoagland was ever involved with. It has been said the 'Space Movement' was born there, now manifested in organizations like the NSS (http://ssi.org/), whose list of board members include some who were on that cruise. <br><br>Bara also wrote:<br>'And lest we forget, Carl saw fit to include a gratuitous money shot of Hoagland in his own Biography Channel Obit episode.'<br><br><br> I was also in that auditorium at JPL at the same time. That was quite a moment.<br><br> It seems unlikely that Carl had anything to do with the editing of that posthumous tribute...<br><br> Don DavisDDAVIShttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06371186346143792610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-82320863970244480472009-02-11T15:29:00.000-08:002009-02-11T15:29:00.000-08:00JimO, I've made my point. To put it mildly, yo...JimO, <br><br>I've made my point. To put it mildly, you're ethically challenged. Until you're ready to look at and address <i><b>ALL</b></i> the data... <b>IN CONTEXT</b>, I shall waste no more energy on you.<br><br>Mike,<br><br>If it makes you feel any better, I saw potential in both candidates insofar as DM's subject matter is concerned. But the refelction I see of JFK in Obama was too great for me to ignore.<br><br>That said, I know it may have taken me a while, but I haven't let you or the Professor down yet, have I? ;) Trust me... Have faith even... everything is going to change. <br><br>Especially NASA. <br><br>Because ultimately you are correct in that NASA funding would create a boom similar to that of a war time economy. Probably far more sustainable and useful too.<br><br>One thing needs to happen first though... <br><br>The Face. <br><br>It is the <b>only</b> thing which can pull this world out of it's current economic crisis.<br><br>The Face doesn't just mean <i>something</i>, it means <i><b>everything</b></i>.<br><br>It is, <i>"The Way, the Truth, and the Light"</i>.<br><br>But you already know that, don't you, Mike? ;)<br><br>So stop worrying then. <br><br>Soon everybody will know.MaxtheKnifehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08598244331584695655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-51983822872219938292009-02-11T14:07:00.000-08:002009-02-11T14:07:00.000-08:00I didn't spike it. Try sending it again.I didn't spike it. Try sending it again.Mike Barahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17172462170076618847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-69791940412622301322009-02-11T13:06:00.000-08:002009-02-11T13:06:00.000-08:00Sphinx: "What if instead of Ken Johnston it w...Sphinx: "What if instead of Ken Johnston it was Chuck Norris? Have you thought about that?"<br><br>I did reply, but Mike apparently disallowed it. Sorry!JimOhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14320277948525739714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-90130835614252883032009-02-11T05:02:00.000-08:002009-02-11T05:02:00.000-08:00http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29134295/page/2/When t...http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29134295/page/2/<br><br>When the economy is in the red, can we justify spending even more billions into Mars exploration? Particularly after a handful of people have only had full access to the best information (see Dark Mission)? Hard to see money well spent, when you factor in the past returns to the public. I think NASA will have be more forthcoming with the artifact evidence it has had, and thus earn more dollars like everyone else.david nineteenpointfivehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07614187377302815322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-32186488654178570102009-02-10T14:44:00.000-08:002009-02-10T14:44:00.000-08:00I really want to understand JimO and I have to say...I really want to understand JimO and I have to say that is hard. I spend a lot of time reading again and again his posts.<br><br>So...regarding Ken Johnston.<br><br>I don't care if Ken Johnston is a pilot or a limo driver. Why?<br><br>JimO said <br><br>"The ground zero of this line of exposition is that you portrey him as a man with the authority to purge the original Apollo image files, and claim he did so after being so ordered -- a clear case of major coverup."<br><br><br> Lets pretend that Ken Johnston is the limo driver of director manager of the Data and Photo Control Department at NASA’s Lunar Receiving Laboratory during the manned Apollo Lunar Program.<br><br>And in one night, when he stay in the car in the parking lot, the boss came to him and tell him<br><br>- Ken, I need to ask you a favor...<br>- Shoot boss!<br>- Do you mind if you take this pile of paper and photos and go bag in the alley and burn them?<br>- Eh...heh..so the private eye that your wife contract finally caught you last night with that dame?<br>- What?<br>- Ha! Ha! Ha!<br>- No moron! Stop it! This is serious men!<br>- Oh! Sorry sir!<br>- Now, can I trust you?<br>- What's in the documents?<br>- Is not your damn business Ken. Just go and burn this.<br><br>And Ken Johnston take the stuffs, find a dark corner in that parking lot and decided to burn those files.<br><br>Let's say that he burn the documents but keep some photos that he find interesting.<br><br>And after years he decided to pickup the phone and call George Noory on Coast to Coast AM and tell the world the truth<br><br>You, JimO, you simply don't believe this man just because his a limo driver and not a US Navy Seal Officer, or to be more correct because his enrolled in MARCAD training, but do not have a certificate?<br><br>What if instead of Ken Johnston it was Chuck Norris? Have you thought about that?<br><br>:)<br><br> Outer space exists because it's afraid to be on the same planet with Chuck Norris.<br><br>:)<br><br> There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.<br><br>:)Sphinxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01356225248069315164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-14544884511455529472009-02-10T09:57:00.000-08:002009-02-10T09:57:00.000-08:00Max: "Nice try, but this is a blog, you ARE a...Max: "Nice try, but this is a blog, you ARE a journalist, and this 'counts' as published material."<br><br>You can't really believe that. Show me you do, by citing all your complaints to other posters (including published authors who almost made the NY Times Best Seller list -- envy, envy...) who filled these threads with venomous fabrications about me and my motives and my actions last year. Of course you never complained -- I'm the only one being held to these imaginary 'standards'.<br><br>...and you still dance and dodge around the questions of fact being discussed.JimOhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14320277948525739714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-1620637678622757662009-02-09T19:57:00.000-08:002009-02-09T19:57:00.000-08:00On February 9th JimO wrote:"Frederick, thanks...On February 9th JimO wrote:<br><br>"Frederick, thanks, in reviewing the documents from FOIA, Ken's official portrait (dated "7 Jan, 1964") lists him as L/CPL, but his official discharge papers state that on Aug 30, 1966, he was discharged at rank of CPL (E-4). Apparently in my statement that he attained the rank of E-5, I was exaggerating his record -- I withdraw that claim and apologize. <br><br>Now, Frederick, have you ever known an E-4 to be a Marine fighter pilot? Ever?"<br><br>Yes, until the early to possibly mid-sixties there were still a few enlisted pilots left over from WWII and Korea. However, most of the guys I knew were senior enlisted personnel.<br><br>In the late fifties enlisted Marines who qualified could enter the NavCad (Naval Air Cadet) program with less than four years of college. It is possible (although I can't confirm this) that those enlisted candidates approved for the NavCad (and later I believe MarCad) program carried some type of enlisted rank until they advanced through the Marine Officers basic course and later passed flight school by earning their wings and commissions as 2nd Lieutenants in Marine Aviation.<br><br>I would think that accessing a former service persons military record would be quite difficult without permission of the individual or failing that presenting as a legal entity investigating a federal or local felony crime. With that I'm bowing out of this tug o' war but hope I answered your questions.Frederickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12189337021148005251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-63090138906782246722009-02-09T17:08:00.000-08:002009-02-09T17:08:00.000-08:00I am kind of curious how an enlisted Marine was a ...I am kind of curious how an enlisted Marine was a fighter pilot, if that is JimO's new assertion here. Still, seems to be a red herring for the real issues - those heavily documented thingies on the moon and Mars.david nineteenpointfivehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07614187377302815322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-73495500464875821682009-02-09T15:12:00.000-08:002009-02-09T15:12:00.000-08:00Max: "Isn't there some sort of an ethical...Max: "Isn't there some sort of an ethical breech there insofar as a responsible and unbiased journalist would be concerned?"<br><br>Uh, Max, before you give lectures on journalistic ethics, have you noticed -- I haven't written anything for publication on this subject. You seem to be suggesting that in ALL my private communications I should follow a form that YOU think is proper for journalists -- even though you've surely noticed that when it comes to comments about me on this blog, those 'standards' are violated more than they are followed? Hence any pious lectures from you to ME just makes you look comically hypocritical, at least, perhaps, to some. You can see my complaints even at the end of 2007 about fantasy accusations about me and my motives and my actions, nasty stuff that still seems to have passed mike's standards.<br><br>Can't we focus on what we can determine to be TRUE? And can't you see why some people posting here DON'T want that to happen?JimOhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14320277948525739714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-83720865740866321852009-02-09T14:51:00.000-08:002009-02-09T14:51:00.000-08:00Lol... When do we get to the part where you actual...Lol... When do we get to the part where you actually address the data?!<br><br>Which, btw, JimO... <i><b>is the HEART of the book</b></i>!<br><br>Oh yeah... and as Mike said in another thread... "There is that Face thingy too."<br><br>I don't envy you the embarrassment you're going to suffer, JimO.<br><br>Soon enough...<br><br><i>~~~Muahaha~~~</i>MaxtheKnifehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08598244331584695655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-14134925440521706582009-02-09T13:36:00.000-08:002009-02-09T13:36:00.000-08:00Frederick, thanks, in reviewing the documents from...Frederick, thanks, in reviewing the documents from FOIA, Ken's official portrait (dated "7 Jan, 1964") lists him as L/CPL, but his official discharge papers state that on Aug 30, 1966, he was discharged at rank of CPL (E-4). Apparently in my statement that he attained the rank of E-5, I was exaggerating his record -- I withdraw that claim and apologize. <br><br>Now, Frederick, have you ever known an E-4 to be a Marine fighter pilot? Ever?<br><br>Have you ever heard anyone dismiss an official military 'Record of Service' as "innuendo"? <br><br>How can we reconcile Bara's claim that Ken was a veteran jet fighter pilot, with the military records? I'm not interested in speculating about motives or character traits, just what can be established as fact.JimOhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14320277948525739714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-58620900728358751032009-02-09T11:44:00.000-08:002009-02-09T11:44:00.000-08:00On February 6, 2009 6:27 AM JimO said Ken was an &...On February 6, 2009 6:27 AM JimO said Ken was an "E-5" (Lance Corporal). Not so, as an inactive Marine I know that Lance Corporals are E-3's, E-5's are Sergeants............keeping the record straight, at least in this regardFrederickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12189337021148005251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-47856364670981994362009-02-08T22:36:00.000-08:002009-02-08T22:36:00.000-08:00Hey Mike..in all kidding...but seriously I don'...Hey Mike..in all kidding...but seriously I don't think Keith would have JimO on..even though it's still MSNBC...besides that's an insult to Keith. again imho<br><br>HOWEVER...I am SURE MSNBC would "LOVE" to have a JimO vs Richard debate 10-15 min of some HONEST BRUTAL TRUTH discussions about NASA, images, and the Never A straight Answer agency.<br><br>Sorry about using the 'original' NASA pun...but sometimes it's required for the point to sink in.<br><br>Bob...:Droberthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04200824860134560491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-37439709250062361822009-02-08T21:59:00.000-08:002009-02-08T21:59:00.000-08:00Well Jim, look at the bright side; at least they d...Well Jim, look at the bright side; at least they didn't compare you to Keith Olbermann...Mike Barahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17172462170076618847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-30562009497869610002009-02-08T14:10:00.000-08:002009-02-08T14:10:00.000-08:00Maxthe knife, that's a reasonable question, an...Maxthe knife, that's a reasonable question, and my response is that my activities on this theme have been so distorted and so misrepresented by partisans that I've decided all exchanges on the subject must be in written, verifiable form. I can't believe that Ken is unaware of these issues being raised. Why doesn't he respond on the record here?JimOhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14320277948525739714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-13154851227998856292009-02-07T18:01:00.000-08:002009-02-07T18:01:00.000-08:00david nineteenpointfive said... If science is defi...david nineteenpointfive said... <br>If science is defined by trying to come up with every possible explanation how everything is formed by nature, and not intelligent life creating consistent shapes and patterns, then indeed the world is flat.<br><br>------<br>:APPLAUSE:<br><br>REPEAT because It is what we see happen in the MEANSTREAM SCIENCE of "ACCREDIATION".<br><br>Gil Levin will NEVER be recognized "officially" by NASA or MEANSTREAM SCIENCE, or MEDIA nor will Richard and Mike along with ANY of TEM's work be so "officially" recognized.<br><br>And that is just plain wrong as the lone-gunman theory of the Warren Commision's "Lone Gunman" theory...it IS a FLAT world if we don't stop the hagiographers from writing history based on lies, agendas, and politcal expediance.<br><br>Bob...:Droberthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04200824860134560491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-85382121864904526902009-02-07T09:47:00.000-08:002009-02-07T09:47:00.000-08:00If science is defined by trying to come up with ev...If science is defined by trying to come up with every possible explanation how everything is formed by nature, and not intelligent life creating consistent shapes and patterns, then indeed the world is flat.david nineteenpointfivehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07614187377302815322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4063802215119596545.post-58444634923403299602009-02-05T22:29:00.000-08:002009-02-05T22:29:00.000-08:00Mike Bara said... Okay, it's clear to me I nee...Mike Bara said... <br>Okay, it's clear to me I need to finish the new blog post... :)<br><br>No more bad NASA puns please...<br><br>---<br><br>rhw007:<br><br>Okay okay...but it is at least FUN for some of us kinda like Obama must feel like making up RNC puns since his "reaching out" in TRUE "bi-partianship" has only gotten him 0 for 59 so far. We've been at thins longer than he has and our YEARLY record is 33 yeasr this summer.<br><br>But I promise no more long lists here. :D<br><br>btw...to MG and T'Zaris thanks for the new ones :D count is 128 UNIQUE "puns" on the name. I'll keep compliling them because SOMEBODY should do it.<br><br>Bob...:Droberthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04200824860134560491noreply@blogger.com